Minutes of Proceedings

Session: 2011/2012

Date: Thursday, 02 June 2011

Venue: Room 21

The meeting opened in closed session at 4.06pm.

1. Apologies

Mr Gerry Kelly

2. Minutes of the meeting held on 31 May 2011

Members agreed the minutes of the meeting held on 31 May 2011.

Members agreed that the Chairperson could approve the minutes of today’s meeting, so that an extract can be included in the Committee report.

3. Inquiry into Standing Orders for Principal Deputy Speaker

a) Consideration of draft amendments to Standing Orders

4.09pm Lord Morrow joined the meeting.
4.10pm Mervyn Storey joined the meeting.

The Committee considered the revised draft amendments to Standing Orders prepared by Assembly Legal Services. Jonathan McMillen from Legal Services explained the draft amendments and answered members’ questions.

The Committee considered each of the proposed amendments paragraph by 
paragraph.

Amendment 1

The Committee divided. Ayes 6; Noes 2.

Ayes

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness 

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

Amendment 2

The Committee divided. Ayes 6; Noes 2.

Ayes 

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness 

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

Amendment 3

The Committee considered each of the paragraphs within amendment 3.

Paragraph (1)

The Committee divided. Ayes 6; Noes 2.

Ayes 

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness 

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

Paragraph (2)

The Committee divided. Ayes 6; Noes 2.

Ayes 

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

Paragraph (3)


The Chairperson suspended the meeting for five minutes in order to marshal an amendment.

4.32pm Meeting suspended.

4.38pm Meeting reconvened in closed session with the same members present.

An amendment was proposed by Mr Allister:

“That we amend Standing Order 5(3) to reflect the procedure in Standing Order 4(4), namely that all nominations are taken before a vote/debate takes place.”

The question was put that the amendment be made.

The Committee divided on the amendment. Ayes 2; Noes 6.

Ayes 

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness

The amendment accordingly fell.

The question was put that paragraph (3) be included as per the wording in the draft.

The Committee divided. Ayes 6; Noes 2.

Ayes 

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

Paragraph (4)

The Committee divided. Ayes 6; Noes 2.

Ayes 

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

Paragraph (5)

The Committee divided. Ayes 6; Noes 2.

Ayes 

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

Paragraph (6)

The Committee divided. Ayes 6; Noes 2.

Ayes 

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

Paragraph (6A)

The Committee divided. Ayes 8; Noes 0.

Ayes 

Jim Allister
Trevor Clarke
Alban Maginness 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

-

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

Paragraph (7)

The Committee divided. Ayes 6; Noes 2.

Ayes 

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

Agreed: Members agreed that the order of paragraphs (2) and (3) should 
be reversed.

b) Draft Inquiry Report into Standing Orders for Principal Deputy Speaker

The Committee read the draft report on its Inquiry into Standing Orders for Principal Deputy Speaker paragraph by paragraph.

Front cover – agreed 

Powers and Membership – agreed 

Table of Contents – agreed

Abbreviations – agreed 

Main Report

Paragraphs 1 – 7, agreed

Paragraphs 8 – 9, agreed, as amended

Paragraphs 10 – 12, agreed

Paragraphs 13 – 14, agreed, as amended

Paragraphs 15 – 16, agreed

Paragraphs 17 – 21, agreed, as amended

The Chairperson suspended the meeting for five minutes in order to marshal amendments.

5.04pm Meeting suspended.

5.10pm Meeting reconvened in closed session with the same members present.

Paragraph 22:

Mr Allister proposed that Paragraph 22 be amended to state that the role of Principal Deputy Speaker does not have any statutory basis.

The question was put that the amendment be made.

The Committee divided on the amendment. Ayes 2; Noes 6.

Ayes 

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness

Noes

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

The amendment accordingly fell.

The question was put on the original wording of Paragraph 22.

The Committee divided. Ayes 6; Noes 2.

Ayes 

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

Paragraph 23 agreed, as amended

Paragraph 24 agreed

Paragraph 25:

Mr Maginness proposed that Paragraph 25 be amended to state that one of the options considered was that the post of Principal Deputy Speaker be filled by rotation among the existing Deputy Speakers on an annual basis.

The question was put that the amendment be made.

The Committee divided on the amendment. Ayes 2; Noes 6.

Ayes 

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness

The amendment accordingly fell.

The question was put on the original wording of Paragraph 25.

The Committee divided. Ayes 6; Noes 2.

Ayes 

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

Paragraphs 26 – 28, agreed, as amended

Paragraphs 29 – 31, agreed

Paragraph 32:

Mr Clarke proposed that Paragraph 32 be removed.

The question was put that the amendment be made.

The Committee divided on the amendment. Ayes 6; Noes 0; Abstentions 2.

Ayes 

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Abstentions

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

Original Paragraphs 33 – 34, agreed
Original Paragraph 35:

Mr Allister proposed that the word “unanimously” be inserted in Paragraph 35, line 1.

The question was put that the amendment be made.

The Committee divided on the amendment. Ayes 8; Noes 0.

Ayes

Jim Allister
Trevor Clarke
Alban Maginness 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

-

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

Original Paragraph 36, agreed

Summary of Recommendations – agreed, as amended 

Agreed: The inclusion of the following appendices was agreed:
Appendix 1 – Minutes of Proceedings
Appendix 2 – Minutes of Evidence
Appendix 3 – Written Submissions from Parties and Independent MLAs
Appendix 4 – Research Papers

Agreed: In view of the late timing of today’s meeting, it was agreed to 
order the report to be printed on 3 June 2011.

Members confirmed that they had no suggested corrections to the Hansard 
transcript from the meeting on 26 May 2011.

Agreed: The report will be embargoed until commencement of the 
debate of the report in Plenary.

4. Forward Work Programme

Agreed: It was agreed that a draft Forward Work Programme, based on one meeting per month, would be considered at the next meeting to be held on 14 June 2011.

Agreed: It was agreed that the draftsperson who has been contracted to draft Standing Orders should be asked to brief the Committee at the meeting scheduled for 14 June 2011.

5. Motion to amend Standing Orders for Principal Deputy Speaker

The Committee considered a revised version of the motion to amend Standing 
Orders, which had incorporated the amendments agreed at today’s meeting.

The Committee divided. Ayes 6; Noes 2.

Ayes 

Trevor Clarke 
Oliver McMullan 
Lord Morrow
Sue Ramsey
George Robinson
Mervyn Storey

Noes

Jim Allister
Alban Maginness

The proposal accordingly was agreed to.

6. Any other Business

None.

7. Date, time and place of next meeting

It was agreed that the next meeting of the Committee would take place on Tuesday, 14 June 2011 at 1.30pm in Room 21, Parliament Buildings.

The Chairperson adjourned the meeting at 5.40pm.

Sue Ramsey
Chairperson, Committee on Procedures
3 June 2011

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